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I hope they didn't spend a ton of money trying to figure out that not having purpose makes you a worse person.
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Nowhere in that article was "purpose" or "sense of purpose" mentioned.

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[...] 210 were unemployed for one to four years.

The researchers can't say for sure [...]

Though he didn't test the theory, [...]

While the researchers can't say exactly why this happens, [...]

[...] need more data to verify whether that's true [...]


some people should be unemployed, because they do garbage work.

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Nowhere in that article was "purpose" or "sense of purpose" mentioned.


Yeah, that was my point. Or were you pointing out something?

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some people should be unemployed, because they do garbage work.


Leave the government out of this.
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Nowhere in that article was "purpose" or "sense of purpose" mentioned.


Yeah, that was my point. Or were you pointing out something?

Okay, now I'm confused.  Leisher, was your point something about employment giving life purpose?  Because if so I would tend to disagree.

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Yeah, that was my point. Or were you pointing out something?

Okay, now I'm confused.  Leisher, was your point something about employment giving life purpose?  Because if so I would tend to disagree.

Mine was broader. While employment can give one's life purpose, it certainly is not the only factor.

My sense of purpose point was that without one, it's very likely that someone will be miserable or simply unhappy.
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My sense of purpose point was that without one, it's very likely that someone will be miserable or simply unhappy.

That's all well and good until their sense of purpose makes other people miserable and unhappy.

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My sense of purpose point was that without one, it's very likely that someone will be miserable or simply unhappy.

You're not wrong, but its presence is probably determined genetically.

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Can making snarky comments on the internet count as a purpose?

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Is Malcolm happy?

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Is Malcolm happy?

I don't even know what that word means anymore.

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Is Malcolm happy?

I always think of snarky as being more pleasant than grumpy.  Like usually more sarcastic.

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My sense of purpose point was that without one, it's very likely that someone will be miserable or simply unhappy.

You're not wrong, but its presence is probably determined genetically.

Can you imagine what would happen if someone were to find evidence of genetic behavioral traits in particular races?  Asians/studious, jews/thrifty, blacks/prone to violence?  Genetics would be racist and probably deemed bad and wrong, or, "b'd'ong," as I like to say.

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Can you imagine what would happen if someone were to find evidence of genetic behavioral traits in particular races?  Asians/studious, jews/thrifty, blacks/prone to violence?  Genetics would be racist and probably deemed bad and wrong, or, "b'd'ong," as I like to say.

You mean like Danes being happier than everyone else?

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Racist.

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'Danish' isn't a race.

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Racism denier.

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(Alhazad @ Aug. 26 2015,16:24)
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My sense of purpose point was that without one, it's very likely that someone will be miserable or simply unhappy.

You're not wrong, but its presence is probably determined genetically.

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However, both stable environmental contributions and emerging genetic influences were indicated.

Genetics + environment.

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Effects of shared environment were weak and nonsignificant. Unique environmental effects for all measures were mostly trait specific.

My sister-in-law's entire family is batshit insane.  They also seem predisposed to seeking out and marrying other batshit insane people.  Except her, she's rather normal.  It's not trait specific, either.  She is across the board more normal and functional than all her immediate relatives.  She even had the same environment for the most part.  The brain simply isn't a deterministic mechanism that can be modeled by genes and external stimuli.  Some fucking weird dynamic factor's missing.

I believe the obvious question is also missing: who the fuck says being happy is that state all humans need to achieve?  If you want eternal happiness, go get a lobotomy.

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My sister-in-law's entire family is batshit insane.  They also seem predisposed to seeking out and marrying other batshit insane people.  Except her, she's rather normal.  It's not trait specific, either.  She is across the board more normal and functional than all her immediate relatives.  She even had the same environment for the most part.

Clinically define "batshit insane" and "relatively normal" and sequence their genomes, or else she just goes in the pile with the rest of the data points.

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For both males and females, long-term stability of [subjective well-being] was mainly attributable to stable additive genetic factors, whereas susceptibility to change was mostly related to individual environmental factors. However, both stable environmental contributions and emerging genetic influences were indicated.

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