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I'm sure you've all heard about the video of the SAE dipshits singing a racist song about never admitting a black person into their frat.

(Why are we pretending frats matter to grown ups?)

MSNBC is now taking heat for "blaming it on rappers".

And they should because the one person's statement about the SAE kids learning the word from rappers is ridiculous. Even if it wasn't coming out that this song is an apparent SAE tradition and is sung at other chapters, there's still movies, books, friends, parents, etc. as other sources of where they might have heard that word previously other than rap music.

However, isn't it just as ridiculous to give rap a free pass?

All of these articles and talking heads saying "stop blaming black rappers for white racism" (which is racist all by itself, but let's ignore that) are pretty stupid themselves aren't they?

Why?

Because it's a fact that rap is marketed towards the audience who spends the money on it (just as any product is): White suburban kids. No really. They're the largest segment of the population that buys it.

So when you have songs in that genre using the n word non-stop, and your target audience is white kids, what's the message? "This word is ok when we're making money off of you, but you'd better never use it"?

Something else to point out is black activists' fight against rap for it's portrayal of women and promotion of a violent culture.

What these SAE kids did is ignorant and blaming rappers for a chant some college kids were doing that is clearly not a rap song is equally as ridiculous.

However, don't give rappers a free pass for what they're doing. If any person, no matter their sex or creed, walked down the street screaming obscenities, shouting about how violence is the answer, and telling everyone who will listen that women are property, what would you think of that person and their beliefs?

Racism isn't just a white thing and ending it doesn't mean changing just white minds/attitudes.
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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 12 2015,09:38 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Wonder what KA chants...

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While what you say is true about the use of a certain word, Leisher, I can't think of a single rap song that is about how the person singing the song will ensure that someone of color doesn't join his or her organization.

The racism here isn't about a single word.  It's about the entire nature and message of the song.  And that part you certainly can't blame on rap music.


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While what you say is true about the use of a certain word, Leisher, I can't think of a single rap song that is about how the person singing the song will ensure that someone of color doesn't join his or her organization.

The racism here isn't about a single word.  It's about the entire nature and message of the song.  And that part you certainly can't blame on rap music.

I think I made my point poorly.

I thought I specified that in no way, shape, or form did this chant come from a rap song.

The rest of my rant was about how just because you can't, and shouldn't, blame this chant on rap music, rap music shouldn't be given a free pass as if it is innocent of any other violations.

And while we're on the subject...

SAE students drunkenly chant this racist message that results in the frat being banned from campus and closed, and two students being expelled.

John Thompson said during an interview at Georgetown that he would never give a scholarship to a white kid, yet nobody batted an eye and he's still spoken of as a "legend".

I think one of the biggest things that helps racism maintain it's momentum (aside from human nature to fear things that are different from yourself) is the hypocrisy. For example: White people generally being considered as the only racists, blacks killing more whites each year yet only white on black crime getting press, white person making racist statement gets headlines yet black person making same racist statement gets ignored, etc.
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I think I made my point poorly.

No, no, please, I am the one that is communicating inadequately.

My point wasn't about this particular chant so much as to note that there's a big difference between message and language and that while rap music certainly has some problems in terms of language the message isn't one that is anti-minority.  So while rap does have some problems I don't think it's a fair comparison to equate the issues there to the issues hinted at behind things like this SAE chant.

But your last point I can't argue with.  There's this assumption that only white people can be racist, because if someone in a minority group acts the same way towards someone who is white that's just fighting back not racism.  And that's bullshit.  Two wrongs don't make a right.


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You're right, it's a stretch to associate the two, but the press did it first. MSNBC wrongly did it in an accusatory fashion, and then the rest of the MSM did it again by condemning them and ignoring the negative side of rap.

It'd be like writing a story about the KKK doing community service and not once mentioning what the group stands for or their history.
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Everybody Is Racist. The End.

Now, can we please not wet our panties over this kind of shit every again? kthx
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