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TPRJones 
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Posted on: May 12 2014,09:02 |
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While I don't disagree at all with their conclusions on the nature of fatherhood, I must say that "graduated college" is an extremely useless measure if you are trying to measure success at life these days.
How many of those college grads are living back in mom and dad's basement at some point after graduation? I bet it's a big percentage. That's hardly what I call successful.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: May 12 2014,09:14 |
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(TPRJones @ May 12 2014,11:02)
QUOTE While I don't disagree at all with their conclusions on the nature of fatherhood, I must say that "graduated college" is an extremely useless measure if you are trying to measure success at life these days.
How many of those college grads are living back in mom and dad's basement at some point after graduation? I bet it's a big percentage. That's hardly what I call successful.
Think of how nice that psychology degrees looks hanging over the couch down there, though. Sure, it might take you a couple months of saving from the barista job you landed to get it framed, but don't you feel better knowing a four-year degree has secured your future? And with only a measly $10-20K price tag. Such a bargain.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 12 2014,09:42 |
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(TPRJones @ May 12 2014,12:37)
QUOTE Meh, even according to that article it's not really a measure of success as much as a measure of a lower average level of failure. QUOTE “There’s a reason we call this report ‘The Rising Cost of Not Going to College,'” says Paul Taylor, executive vice president of special projects at the Pew Research Center.
“The driver of that widening is not so much that today’s college graduates are doing better than yesterday’s college graduates are doing; it’s that today’s high school-only graduates are doing worse than yesterday’s high school-only graduates"
At this point you're just making up words and using apocryphal data.
If success isn't avoiding failure, then what is it?
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Leisher
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Posted on: May 12 2014,10:31 |
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The attitude towards college in this country is horseshit. We've made ourselves slaves to these institutions of "higher learning".
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,10:43 |
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,13:40)
QUOTE QUOTE We've made ourselves slaves to these institutions of "higher learning". That the biz world continues to support.
To make themselves feel better.
A significant portion of billionaires lately never finished college, did they?
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:02 |
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Yay anecdotes!
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Leisher
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:05 |
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I remember years ago Fortune 500 polled the CEOs of those corporations, and in a landslide the CEOs cherished military service over college.
Why?
Actual experience over theory.
HR people are the reason college is so coveted in corporations. They're part of the problem.
I remember hiring my IT Support Specialist and working with our HR person. She was adamant that a college degree was the main criteria for candidates. I had to sit her down and explain to her about how certifications make the IT world turn (for the most part).
I was reminded of that story again recently during a company function when the president was talking about the key folks who got our company to where it is today, and almost to a man, none had been to college until later in their careers.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:05 |
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And the plural of anecdote is data?
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:13 |
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Don't get me wrong, I think that certain jobs DO require a shitload of training, and a degree is the way you show you received that training.
My bias comes from the fact that I agree with Leisher 100% that HR people are a big part of the problem, and the fact that I have had 2 managers in the IT industry whose degrees were in mining technology, and the other in animal husbandry. Somehow this made them qualified for management positions where my years of experience did not. And no, I am not bitter, I don't even give a shit at all, but I have seen and learned enough to know that for most people a college degree isn't indicative of shit.
And dont even get me started on those with liberal arts degrees.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:29 |
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,14:26)
QUOTE QUOTE I think that certain jobs DO require a shitload of training, and a degree is the way you show you received that training. Some jobs do, and degrees are a way.
Absolutely.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:38 |
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(GORDON @ May 12 2014,13:29)
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,14:26)
QUOTE QUOTE I think that certain jobs DO require a shitload of training, and a degree is the way you show you received that training. Some jobs do, and degrees are a way. Absolutely.
I'd argue that most jobs don't, and degrees are far from the best way.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:42 |
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,14:38)
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(GORDON @ May 12 2014,13:29)
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,14:26)
QUOTE QUOTE I think that certain jobs DO require a shitload of training, and a degree is the way you show you received that training. Some jobs do, and degrees are a way. Absolutely. I'd argue that most jobs don't, and degrees are far from the best way.
Mostly agree.
I want my doctors to have attended a shitload of school, though, as they say, "You know what they call the guy who graduated last in his class in medical school?"
Engineers should have a lot of schooling. Biologists. Chemists. Basically, any job that you can't do with just a liberal arts degree. But even those jobs... I don't really know why a botanist needs to have 24 credit hours in the humanities in order to be a botanist.
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