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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,12:35 |
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I site this as an example of you complaining just to complain about something. Everyone knows that the vast majority of people that use HBOGo don't even have subscriptions to HBO. I would bet that of the people that use HBOGo, password borrowers outnumber actual subscribers by at least 3 to 1. I pay for HBO and have had no problem watching Game of Thrones. If Go doesn't work for me, I pull it up 'on demand'. Because I paid for it. I don't fault HBO for not keeping up with the demand of all the freeloaders. And if people who actually subscribed to HBO are upset because they couldn't stream it, well, stop giving out your damn passwords idiots. DVR the shit and you are all set.
People pirate their content because they are too cheap to pay for it. Not for any other reason.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,12:44 |
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I really have no problem with content being an hour late to the web or what-not. Why would you watch this crap on a web-device anyway? You need to watch it on a big screen. And if you can't watch it on a TV via regular HBO, you're probably stealing the Go service anyway.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,14:45 |
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QUOTE You need to watch it on a big screen.
You lucky bastard. HBOGO just updated their website.
QUOTE Get unlimited access to all your favorite HBO® shows, hit movies, sports, comedy and more, plus bonus features and behind-the-scenes extras. It’s all free with your HBO subscription through participating television providers and available on your favorite devices.*
Subject to approval by thecatt
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,14:48 |
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(GORDON @ Apr. 14 2014,16:09)
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(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 14 2014,15:35)
QUOTE People pirate their content because they are too cheap to pay for it. Â Not for any other reason. Untrue.
Agreed. It seems the most common reason is convenience, with money being a secondary reason and various principled causes a very distant third.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,14:55 |
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(TPRJones @ Apr. 14 2014,17:48)
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QUOTE People pirate their content because they are too cheap to pay for it. Â Not for any other reason. Untrue. Agreed. Â It seems the most common reason is convenience, with money being a secondary reason and various principled causes a very distant third.
Convenience? Yeah, it's really convenient to not pay for content.
DVR, VCRs, HBOGO, etc. and the fact that the network airs their shit over and over on multiple streams says "convenience being the primary factor for piracy" is bullshit. (And I'm limiting this argument to HBO, not all piracy.)
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,15:04 |
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I don't do cable. Â I'd be happy to pay for access to HBOGO if I could then watch it on my XBMC-driven media center. Â
I refuse to deal with their DRM bullshit, however, or sign up for an entire cable service package just for HBO. Â Am I willing to pay $120 a month just to watch Game of Thrones? Â No, but I'd be willing to pay something closer to $10 to $20. Â But that doesn't seem to be an option.
Most of the pirates I know personally are the older ones like me who can and would pay if the content were to be delivered in the way WE want it when and where we want it. Â But you have to take it how HBO will give it to you, and they aren't exactly flexible. Â So in my case it is MUCH more convenient to steal it. Â Tell me what address to set up an automatic monthly payment to cover that and I will.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,15:04 |
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Also, my awesome Comcast DVR randomly decides to delete some of my saved recordings and not record things I explicitly schedule whenever they feel like it. I'm sure one of their competitors has better DVR technology. I'll find out when the FCC allows one to exist.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,16:09 |
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It's funny, I actually pay a lot more each month for free content (through Subbable and Patreon) than I do for commercial content.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,16:10 |
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(Leisher @ Apr. 14 2014,17:55)
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QUOTE People pirate their content because they are too cheap to pay for it. Â Not for any other reason. Untrue. Agreed. Â It seems the most common reason is convenience, with money being a secondary reason and various principled causes a very distant third. Convenience? Yeah, it's really convenient to not pay for content. DVR, VCRs, HBOGO, etc. and the fact that the network airs their shit over and over on multiple streams says "convenience being the primary factor for piracy" is bullshit. (And I'm limiting this argument to HBO, not all piracy.)
I AM going to purchase GoT season 4 on BD, as soon as it becomes available to me. I will pay approximately $45 for it, which works out to about $4 per episode. I find that to be slightly expensive, but this show is worth it so I will pay it.
However, I don't like being spoilered, and I like participating in the post-show discussions on the internet. I can't wait 6+ months for the BDs to be released in order to do that. I am not going to pay the $45ish for 3 months of HBO to watch the series, because then I am basically double-paying for the same content. I have no other avenue with which to watch the shows in a timely manner, legally, for the $45 total I want to pay. I have already paid $135 for the first 3 seasons, season 4 takes me up to almost $200, future seasons will add to that, etc etc. I am paying enough to watch the shows. I cannot watch it both timely and legally in this way, even though I will be paying for it.
So, I will continue to "acquire" the shows the day after they are aired so I will reduce the amount of spoilers to wh9ich I am exposed to as much as I can, and then I will purchase the blurays when they are released which assuages any guilt I may feel, and I will also purchase the seasons as gifts for friends.
Optimally, HBO would let me purchase the blu rays 6 months in advance as soon as the season starts, for $50 or so, and then allow me to stream the episodes as they air, and then send me the BD set as soon as it is released. Everyone makes money and customers are happy.
But nope. As the original post stated, HBO is firmly entrenched in 20th century marketing plans. That worked well for Blockbuster, after all. It may be "their show/their rules," but I don't need to follow their rules, and HBO is losing money, for no good reason, because of it.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,16:54 |
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I agree. Â But the statement I was refuting was, "People pirate their content because they are too cheap to pay for it. Â Not for any other reason." Â That didn't leave any wiggle room, that was an absolute statement. Â I was refuting it. Â I am not too cheap to pay for it, but I am too frugal to overpay for it. Â I aint paying $90 to watch it now AND get the disks. Â I will get both for $45 instead of giving them $15 for streaming and $45 for the disks, which they wont let me do. Â I bet lots of peeps would do that if they could.
With some releases, Walmart allows you to preorder a movie a few weeks before it is released, and watch it immediately on Vudu (again, before the physical disks are released), then they will ship you the disk in a couple months when they get around to it. Â The rest of the world is moving on, and HBO is holding on to the 90's.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,17:32 |
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(GORDON @ Apr. 14 2014,17:09)
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QUOTE People pirate their content because they are too cheap to pay for it. Â Not for any other reason. Untrue.
Wait, yeah, I didn't read that either.
Soooo untrue.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,18:06 |
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QUOTE Plus it would allow HBO to get their money up front before the season has finished airing yet. Â That sounds like a win for everyone.
HBO has proven they will hold on to their exclusive content rights like grim death. Â
If I had shit like Popcorn Time coupled with a Netflix queue, I would pay a substantial amount for that. Â Content providers should be knocking down the door of every digital streaming service shoving their content out to the public. Â Maybe they can be tempted to pay for guaranteed access to HD viewing whenever the fuck they want so they don't pirate it. Â I don't and will not be forced to subscribe to HBOGO, Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Amazon, and a dozen other streaming services to keep up to date on all the things I want. Â I'm annoyed enough Netflix can't stream the same things they physically ship on DVDs. Â That alone is beyond bullshit. Â I wonder which end is holding up stream/ship equality, Netflix or the content providers? Â I'm thinking not Netflix. Woohoo scratched DVDs.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,18:10 |
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Right, I want one damned service to rule them all.
Til then, fuck em.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,18:13 |
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(TheCatt @ Apr. 14 2014,20:10)
QUOTE Right, I want one damned service to rule them all.
Til then, fuck em.
One up. I want several services to choose from, so the streaming industry doesn't get Time Warner'd, and I want them all to have all the content. Actually, I suppose I'd settle for one provider if they had some Steam-like sales. But those would never generate any volume or cash.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones
I saw The Fault in our Stars opening night.
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,18:27 |
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I just want convenience. With my current setup (RSS -> utorent -> NAS folder) it's all automatic and the shows I want just appear ready to watch at will. No special software to be run or applications to install or hardware to switch to depending on which service the show is on. It's just there where I want it when I want it and I can watch it how I want it. I'd pay top dollar to any service that could legitimately give me that for all the content I am interested in. But no one can.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 14 2014,18:55 |
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Hell, I'd even be willing to accept some adverts in the insanely stupid and intrusive way broadcast and cable TV do it now if the content was up to date and on demand.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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