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42 years old today.  Granted the article is a year old, but...
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A study by analysts at the RAND Corporation, a California research organization, suggested that if marijuana were legalized in California and the drug spilled from there to other states, Mexican drug cartels would lose about a fifth of their annual income of some $6.5 billion from illegal exports to the United States.


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Sounds like a win to me.

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At this point, I can only assume the U.S. gov't receives kickbacks from the cartels for keeping the street prices insanely inflated.

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I've been saying for 20 years that it's almost a certainty that a lot of the money fueling the drug war lobbyists comes from the main drug lords.  It's the only answer that makes any sense as to why we are still doing it.

The drug war hasn't been a money-losing failure.  It's successfully made some people filthy rich, just like it is supposed to.


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Illegal Mexican and Middle Eastern drugs numbers through the roof.  Oh wait, I meant "legal synthetic drugs" and "illegal prescription online drug sales."  My mistake.

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"The war on drugs has failed."
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These findings suggest that expanding efforts at controlling the global illegal drug market through law enforcement are failing."
...criminalising drugs had "gifted one of the largest commodity trades on earth to organised crime".

What's the excuse the UK gov't has?
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The Home Office said drugs were illegal because they were dangerous.

Wow.  Pretty sure the DEA has a similar response.


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Quickest way to fix our economic mess would be to end the drug war.  Overnight you'd get new companies springing up to produce cheap recreational drugs all across the country, with plenty of employment opportunities to fill.  It would also free up a nice fat chunk of tax dollars across all levels of government to spend on other projects.

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Quickest way to fix our economic mess would be to end the drug war.

The current gov't will go down in flames before they admit they were ever one iota wrong on this.  DEA = Denial in Extreme until Armageddon.  It would do a wonderful job gutting a large portion of the cashflow making its way to criminal organizations.  Granted, it'd be done by redirecting some of the money to other criminals (government agencies), but I can only imagine the enforcement budget would drop like a rock.


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From here.

This illustrates law enforcement's double standard for drugs in this country.

Prescription drugs: We'll let doctors prescribe as fucking much as they want and wonder why abuse rates are sky high, then we'll make people return the unused portion to us on their own when they could sell them and make money.  We'll also subsidize the drug costs with insurance.

Street drugs: Guns, lots of guns.  We will fucking carpet pesticide-bomb other countries to get rid of that shit.


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You aren't making sense.

Get rid of all drugs to end "double standard"?

Prescription drugs help billions of people.  But because some people abuse them, they are in the same category as heroin and meth?
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You aren't making sense.

Get rid of all drugs to end "double standard"?

Prescription drugs help billions of people.  But because some people abuse them, they are in the same category as heroin and meth?

Prescription drug abuse numbers have overtaken the street drug numbers.  Instead of putting the responsibility on doctors not to hand out shit like time release opiates (like oxy) by the bottle full, they're expecting the patients to pick up the extra slack and return the unused meds.  Because they aren't worth $5-20 a pill or anything.  Brilliant strategy.

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Congress listens to Malcolm.
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The F.D.A.’s long resistance to added restrictions on the drugs underscores what critics say is its continuing struggle to address the complexities of the painkiller problem in its often conflicting roles — one as a regulator that approves drugs and the other as a drug safety watchdog.

Though I'm sure there are no conflicts of interest or bribery involved in determining which drugs go to market and how heavily restricted they are.  That'd be plain wacky because there's no way pharmaceutical companies contribute to political fundraising.


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14-Oct-1982: Ronald Reagan declares war on drugs (only a few days after I was born, that fucker).

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In 1986, the US Defense Department funded a two-year study by the RAND Corporation, which found that the use of the armed forces to interdict drugs coming into the United States would have little or no effect on cocaine traffic and might, in fact, raise the profits of cocaine cartels and manufacturers.


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During the early-to-mid-1990s, the Clinton administration ordered and funded a major cocaine policy study, again by RAND. ...  the report said that treatment is the cheapest way to cut drug use, stating that drug treatment is twenty-three times more effective than the supply-side "war on drugs".


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The National Research Council Committee on Data and Research for Policy on Illegal Drugs published its findings in 2001 on the efficacy of the drug war.
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"The existing drug-use monitoring systems are strikingly inadequate to support the full range of policy decisions that the nation must make.... It is unconscionable for this country to continue to carry out a public policy of this magnitude and cost without any way of knowing whether and to what extent it is having the desired effect."


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Richard Davenport-Hines, in his book The Pursuit of Oblivion, criticized the efficacy of the War on Drugs by pointing out that:

   "10–15% of illicit heroin and 30% of illicit cocaine is intercepted. Drug traffickers have gross profit margins of up to 300%.  At least 75% of illicit drug shipments would have to be intercepted before the traffickers' profits were hurt."


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At least 500 economists, including Nobel Laureates Milton Friedman, George Akerlof and Vernon L. Smith, have noted that reducing the supply of marijuana without reducing the demand causes the price, and hence the profits of marijuana sellers, to go up, according to the laws of supply and demand.


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Despite over $7 billion spent annually towards arresting and prosecuting nearly 800,000 people across the country for marijuana offenses in 2005 (FBI Uniform Crime Reports), the federally funded Monitoring the Future Survey reports about 85% of high school seniors find marijuana "easy to obtain". That figure has remained virtually unchanged since 1975, never dropping below 82.7% in three decades of national surveys.


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Penalties for drug crimes among American youth almost always involve permanent or semi-permanent removal from opportunities for education, strip them of voting rights, and later involve creation of criminal records which make employment more difficult.  Thus, some authors maintain that the War on Drugs has resulted in the creation of a permanent underclass of people who have few educational or job opportunities, often as a result of being punished for drug offenses which in turn have resulted from attempts to earn a living in spite of having no education or job opportunities.


Fortunately, we've learned from all this.

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In his 2015 budget request, Obama is asking Congress for $25.4 billion, $200 million more than the government plans to spend in fiscal 2014.

In Obama's 2015 plan, about 43 cents of each dollar will be spent on programs aimed at reducing Americans' demand for drugs, a part of of the president's health strategy—what the administration officially calls drug "demand reduction."

The rest of the funding—about 57 cents of each dollar, or a total of $14.4 billion—will be spent on "supply reduction," federal efforts to root out drug producers and sellers. That includes $9.2 billion to support domestic law enforcement's anti-drug actions.

I guess Captain Ahab has to hunt his whale.  Or maybe the law has become addicted to the never-ending stream of increasing cash they get from this racket.  It's one of the chief reasons why I have no respect for anyone involved in that government industry.


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Or maybe the law has become addicted to the never-ending stream of increasing cash they get from this racket.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I still bet that most of the lobbying money that supports the continuation of the war on drugs comes directly from the cartels.


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I love the argument from the pro-drug war dudes, "You think the cartels are just going to let go of those markets?"

Yeah, after the profit margins go away.  They'll move on to something more lucrative.  They are bizzes.  Exceedingly violent ones, but biz nonetheless.


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What do they expect, cartel hits on the legal dealers?  Hell if it's done right they themselves could become legal dealers.  But they won't because if it's done right the profit margin will be down to normal levels for a typical business, which is not nearly enough for them.

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US records spectacular success utter fucking failure with regards to decreasing poppy cultivation in Afghanistan.
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The U.S. military is closing in on the end of its long war in Afghanistan, and Washington has spent $7.6 billion trying to reduce the production of poppy, the brilliantly blooming plant whose resin is made into heroin and other opioids.

The legacy thus far? Poppy cultivation was at an all-time high of 209,000 hectares last year, it grows in numerous parts of the country where it once did not, and U.S. officials blame Afghanistan’s government for failing to stop it.

Those are the key findings of a new report released Tuesday by the U.S. Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.

Fuck yourself, war on drugs.


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NYC cops ordered to stop being dicks.
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Before Commissioner Bratton first took the reins of the NYPD in 1994, the department had been arresting only about 2,000 people a year for possessing pot, or about 34,000 total from 1981 to 1995.  

But under Bratton’s “broken windows” theory of policing, which targets low-level crimes to establish a sense of law and order, low-level marijuana possession became an NYPD focus in high-crime neighborhoods. Bolstered by dramatic drops in crime, such arrests soon reached over 50,000 a year, and Bratton was celebrated as the top cop in the country.

And we all know the bastion of safety New York City was in the '80s and '90s.


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God help me, but I agree with this dude.
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Remarkably, 2 Chainz manages to silence Grace by relaying an incident where police stopped the rapper's tour bus after they smelled marijuana emanating from the vehicle. A miniscule amount of pot residue was found onboard, resulting in the police filing charges against the rapper's security team. The charges that were ultimately dropped, resulting in "a waste of taxpayers' time and money."


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Hospitals find out what happens when bud's hard to come by.
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Health departments in Alabama, Mississippi and New York have issued alerts this month about more spice users being rushed to hospitals experiencing extreme anxiety, violent behavior and delusions, with some of the cases resulting in death. Similar increases have occurred in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Florida, New Jersey and Texas.
The total number of fatalities nationwide this year is not available, health officials said. One person in Louisiana died Wednesday and two others were in intensive care, said Mark Ryan, the director of the Louisiana Poison Center.

Let's take a look at these states and what they think of bud, a substance that has zero recorded ODs throughout the history of its use.

Alabama: illegal
Mississippi: decriminalized, but still illegal to buy
New York: decriminalized, but still illegal to buy
Pennsylvania: illegal
Arizona: medical use, otherwise illegal
Florida: illegal
New Jersey: medical use, otherwise illegal
Texas: illegal
Louisiana: illegal

Hmm, I notice a pattern.  Know who's not on that list?  Alaska, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado.

Check what's still legal in more or less every state in the US.  That shit will kill you if you take too much.  But let's keep the bud illegal while people kill themselves for want of a safer substitute.  I tried K2.  It was inferior in every way to the thing it's trying to imitate, like Canadian football.


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