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Malcolm 
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2013,10:47 |
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Maybe. Sounds totally legal and not at all quashing the 4th amendment.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
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GORDON
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2013,10:59 |
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Walking around with DNA is giving implicit permission for the government to examine it.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2013,11:05 |
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"Later on, DNA evolved from the 'double helix' geometry into what biologists have only been able to describe as 'middle finger' geometry."
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2013,11:27 |
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If they can take your fingerprints, why not your DNA?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2013,10:15 |
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(thibodeaux @ Feb. 25 2013,13:27)
QUOTE If they can take your fingerprints, why not your DNA?
Pretty much what the Supreme Court said. Voting went along some weird lines, though...
QUOTE Kennedy wrote the decision, and was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Stephen Breyer. Scalia was joined in his dissent by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.
I can't believe I find myself on the same side as Scalia.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2013,14:43 |
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Ha, I just had an original thought: I will volunteer to give a DNA sample, but only in the form of semen. That way i can't go to jail for failure to provide, they just didn't want the DNA I was willing to give. Generously.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2013,18:42 |
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Psycho defends majority.
QUOTE His [Justice Antonin Scalia's] argument is deeply flawed, because he did not get his history quite right.
His opinion opened with these lines: “The Fourth Amendment forbids searching a person for evidence of a crime when there is no basis for believing the person is guilty of the crime or is in possession of incriminating evidence. That prohibition is categorical and without exception; it lies at the very heart of the Fourth Amendment.”
But the Fourth Amendment’s text is not nearly so simple as he makes it out to be. It merely requires that all searches and seizures be not “unreasonable.” Its words do not distinguish between intrusions seeking “evidence of crime” and other sorts of intrusions — say, to collect revenue, or preserve public safety.
Got to say he's right on those last two. In the first case, they will drive a literal goddamn tank up to your door and demand that money, and in the second they'll abuse Bill of Rights like its intended purpose was cleaning up jizz in a back alley sex booth.
QUOTE To take another example: the government requires people to pass through airport metal detectors, both to find evidence of crimes or the tools to commit them, like guns and bombs, and to save lives. These searches occur even when there is no basis for suspicion.
Yeah, to save lives. That's why the TSA's there. Somehow, this is a positive argument for allowing more shit to get taken from you.
QUOTE Proper DNA testing can simultaneously exonerate innocent people who have been wrongly accused and find the bad guys — a true win-win situation — and in the process, this amazing new technology can powerfully deter crime.
Because you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide, right?
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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