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Malcolm 
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,12:18 |
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From here. The article then asks if he's the "best left ever." No fucking way.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,12:38 |
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So did you do the poll? And if so, which pitcher did you take?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,14:18 |
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Picking "the best lefty ever" is ambiguous at best. What's best? Best regular season stats? Best postseason stats? Best from the dead ball era? Best from the 3-man rotation days?
I'm going w\ Sandy Koufax. To quote Willie Mays, "I knew every pitch he was going to throw and still I couldn't hit him."
Trying to compare Randy Johnson w\ someone like Whitey Ford is like trying to compare a modern day power hitter to someone like Jimmie Foxx. Damn near different games.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,14:30 |
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I never realized Koufax's career was so short. I ended up picking Spahn based purely on the numbers.
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WSGrundy
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,17:30 |
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If you are picking best ever then I think you need to pick todays players. I just don't think Babe Ruth is anything other then a average player if he steps into a time machine and plays today. I don't think Murderers Row out hits the 2009 Royals.
That extents to every sports. Johnny Unitas is a slow weak arm back up QB if he even makes the team today. Pele is just a small slow guy who really wants to be good at soccer.
I think you need to break up everything by generations and name the best of an era. I think Wilt Chamberlain could still get things done but probably isn't a hall of famer.
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,18:28 |
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No because they are shit athletes compared to todays athletes just like tomorrows athletes will be supioror to todays.
You take Mickey Mantle, you can also have a rotation Sandy Kofax, Whitey Ford, Cy Young, Satchel Paige, Bob Gibson, with Dizzy Dean as a middle reliever, and Warren Spahn as your closer and it would be a great season if you didn't finish in last place.
I would add Jim Brown along with Wilt as players who I think could preform at a high level in todays game. Maybe Ted Williams(he isn't averaging .350 for a career though.) but I don't think any are for sure hall of famers outside of their era.
Edited by WSGrundy on Jan. 06 2010,18:29
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Posted on: Jan. 06 2010,20:30 |
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(Malcolm @ Jan. 06 2010,19:43)
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(WSGrundy @ Jan. 06 2010,20:28)
QUOTE No because they are shit athletes compared to todays athletes just like tomorrows athletes will be supioror to todays. Their complete games stat says otherwise. EDIT : Most pitchers today would crumble if they had a three-man rotation.
So some inferior athletes were able to dominate some even crappier athletes.
There stats don't mean anything because too much is different. Babe Ruth was the best of his time, Ted Williams the best of his, Mantle/Mays the best of theirs, Pujols the best of his. There is a late 70's early 80's guy in there somewhere but can think of one. The rules might be the same but the games are completely different.
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2010,07:47 |
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It's a bit early on Pujols to be making a statement like that. The guy is a great player, but let's give him a few more years.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jan. 07 2010,12:12 |
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I suppose Pete Rose just slacked off on his way to 4K plus hits.
Edited by Malcolm on Jan. 07 2010,12:12
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