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I'll be playing in a $25 Hold'em tournament tonight.
I've been in a tournament once before. You guys told me to not play any hands until I had a feel for the table.
The aggressive guy (what I could tell after 5 hands) merely called, and I went all-in with A-K. He was holding 8-8, and beat me.
I was dealer, so I never to post a blind. Ha ha ha!
Anyway, I'll play slower tonight. I read a couple poker books since then, and have a better idea of what I should do.
I just hope I finish better than half the people there, though, I'd rather get home sooner than later.
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I never had a chip lead, and almost always had fewer than average chips at the table. But I was consistant. I only lost one hand that went all the way to the river, and that was my last hand. So I did pretty well, raking in enough to keep me in the game as the blinds got higher and higher. We started with $2,000 in chips with $25/$50 blinds, but before I knew it we were up to $200/$400 blinds.
I blinked, and somehow I was sitting a the final table with something like $1k blinds, still playing consistant, but about a chip less than the guy with the second least amount of chips.
I loostened up a bit as the table whittled down to 6 players. The top 5 players got paid.
Then someone (not me!) went out, putting the remaining 5 of us in the money. My $25 entry fee would lead to at least a $50 payout.
Then another player went down. Then another.
I sat in third place.
Player #1 had $30k, player #2 had $21k, and I had $9k.
I had the big blind ($4k) and was dealt a pair of 10's, so I went all-in.
Player #1 folded, and player #2 called.
He had an Ace-something.
Nothing on the flop.
Nothing on the turn.
Ace on the river.
Paul gets third place and $125.
I stayed to watch the final two players. I think they ended up spliting the payout, because they both went all-in ($30k apiece) on the very next hand.
Anyway, I had a blast. I pretty much played Phil Hellmuth's beginner strategy all the way through, so I guess that book my wife got me paid off (I don't like Hellmuth, but read the book anyway).
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Go paul!
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I'm just glad I was eliminated while making the right move. I didn't want to get eliminated doing something stupid.
Early on, I folded when I had the big blind and the other players had just called. That was stupid.
My hand was crap, and the flop had a bunch of high cards, so it didn't matter. Still, it was really stupid. That incident did get my head back in the game and made me look like a fish, so I guess it ended up helping me in the long run.
There's a charity tournament on the 29th. They're hoping for 200 players. I don't know if I'll go or not. If my friend goes, I'll go. Otherwise I think I'll skip it.
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I've played in five home games (for $) since then. Each game had 7-5 players.
In the first game I got second place due to someone drawing an inside straight on the river to beat my top pair with ace kicker. I outright won the next 4 games.
I've been playing Poker SuperStars II and I was afraid that the added aggression I'd picked up in that game would hurt me, but the next practice game (IE, no money involved. "Real" games involve money) I absolutely crushed everyone at the table.
I started getting bored in Poker SuperStars II so I played super-aggressive (IE, all-in on just about every hand). I was afraid that I'd picked up bad habits that would hurt me when in real games. Since I had a "real" game Sunday I played a practice game Saturday with some friends.
Since there was no money and only three players I was super-aggressive. I lost the first three games in a row. Not only that, but I didn't win a single hand and I played every hand to the river! It was miserable. (Dumb play mixed with bad luck). I grabbed a beer (a grounding agent) and vowed to play the next game well, which I did, winning it. But I lost focus again and lost the next two games.
I was a bit scared going into last night's game. I had a feeling that I wasn't going to do well. I know I'm the best player, and my friend Chris is the second best, but we've only gone head-to-head in a cash game once. I just knew that he was going to win and I'd get 3rd or 4th because I'd play too aggressive.
The game:
We drew cards for position. Chris was dealer and I ended up sitting to his left, like I usually draw. Ha ha ha! (Poor Chris) I bullied him all night long thanks to that position.
Hand #1 - I'm dealt Jack/Jack. I'm small blind. I think everyone folds except the dealer (Chris) who raises. I re-raise, the big blind folds, and the dealer calls.
The flop is Ace Jack 8 rainbow.
I raise, and the dealer gives a big re-raise, which I call.
The turn is a King and I make a moderate raise. The dealer does a big re-raise and I call.
3/4 of our stacks are in the pot.
The river is a Jack, giving me quad-Jacks. I make the same raise I'd been making and the dealer goes all-in.
I throw my cards face up ASAP and they sort of slide under one of the Jacks on the table, sorta hiding them. As I reach to spread them out the dealer smiles and shows two pair, Aces and Kings. He wasn't even looking at my cards as I spread out the 4 Jacks. The table was agasp.
I doubled up on the first hand!
We let Chris rebuy (more $ in the pool) and it came down to he and I at the end. Chris had taken a lot of chips from other players. I can play Chris (as opposed to just the cards), and he can't really play me, so I had a pretty good advantage even though he started heads-up with about 150% of my chipstack. I whittled his chipstack to make us even (I actually had a big blind sized chip lead) before we were all-in. I had a Jack/10 and the flop was Ace/10/7 rainbow. From how he bet pre-flop I was pretty sure he didn't have the Ace, but he could have been slow playing it. I tried to take the pot right there with a big raise, but he reraised. I called. There were more big bets when small cards came on the turn and river before he went all-in. By now I knew he didn't have the ace, trips, or a large pocket pair. I called, and my 10's beat his King high.
I don't know what he was thinking playing that against me.
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Looks like I haven't update my poker report in awhile.
On the 9th I played in my monthly game. It got down to me and my friend (the aforementioned Chris). He's the second best player as far as card-smarts goes, but he has bursts where he mistakes dumb for tricky so he rarely got heads up with me.
Chris's stability has really improved, so he ended up going heads up with me that game as well. I'm better than him head's up so even though I was down at that point I worked myself up to a pretty good lead (about 2 to 1).
He was first to act and went all-in with Queen-9. I called with Ace-King.
We turned up our cards and dealt flop, which hit nobody.
The turn hit nobody.
The river was a Queen. Ugh! Now he had twice my chips.
The next three hands I played Iwas winning pre-flop but he'd catch something and beat me.
Soon I was pretty much forced to make a stand with Queen high, and he had a King high. Neither of us paired up so he won the game.
Chris claims that I was on tilt after losing on the river while holding big slick. I don't think it effected my game much. I can't do much better than play when I had the best of it.
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At the beach last week I only played in one poker game against my family. I knew I was the best going in, but I thought my cousin was bluffing and went all-in, catching a lucky ace on the river to give me the win.
I sort of felt guilty about winning that hand.
Meanwhile my cousin's wife was getting miracle cards. I think she had 5 or 6 full houses that game.
Eventually it came down to me and Mrs. Lucky.
I worked her down so that I had $5,800 and she had $200. Or maybe I had $6,800 and she had $200. I don't remember how many people started out in the game.
Well, with a $100 big blind she went ahead and put her second $100 chip into the pot before even looking at her cards. I called.
I had Ace high and she had 8 high.
She ended up winning.
She went all-in before looking at her cards, as did I.
Again, I was winning pre-flop and she ended up winning.
Repeat previous scenario.
And again.
And again.
Until she had a huge chip lead and I went all-in. This time her hole cards were better than mine (though no pairs). Of course I failed to connect and lost.
Ugh! It was miserable.
Normally I would have hunkered down and played her, but with eight or so family members around telling me that I'd better not puss-out, it was either go all-in every hand or take grief from my brother and cousins for the rest of the week.
I did get a little grief after she beat me, but that night they taught her to play dominoes and she annihilated them (more than doubling their scores).
Then the old folks taught her "Spite and Malice" (a card game) and she crushed them as well. That game wasn't even close.
Her luck was stupid that week. I seriously still feel a little on tilt from playing her. In fact, she sort of soured me on poker. We should be playing New Year's Eve, so I need to get my head back by then.
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I've been playing the free games on Full Tilt for a couple weeks now. Anybody know of the quickest way to accumulate a lot of chips?
I made 29k yesterday playing the 1,000 buy-in games. It just seems like it'll take forever to get a chip stack large enough for the 1,000,000 games I see.
I enjoy the competition in the 10k tournaments, but hate having to work up an entry fee after failing to make it into the money.
Edit: Popped into a 1k buy-in at lunch and won the first hand. Won two more hands and quit before I had to post another big blind, with 9,600+ chips.
Luck + dumb players = payoff
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I quit playing tournaments and just play the tables. despite my friend's warning that it was hard to get money in those games I have found them to be really profitable. It took me four days (maybe 10 hours?) to turn my $1k into $100k.
I play with two accounts. Once I hit 103k with my "Spenguin" account I started building up my "SavagePenguin" account. I was having some incredibly bad luck.
I hit a lucky streak just before quitting my last game where I went all-in pre-flop 4 hands in a row and came out with 28k. It really pissed some people off. The first hand I had junk (4/8 that made two pair, but the second hand I had a pocket pair, and hands 3 & 4 had aces with paint kickers. The next hand I was dealt crap so I quit.
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On Saturday I played poker at a friend's house (the guy who ran the $25 tournament April 7... see post #2). There were 13 players total. I'd only played with two of them before, so most players were a mystery.
Thirteen is a weird number of players, so we broke the game into two tables, and combined them when there were 9 or so left.
Game 1: I was the 3rd or 4th person knocked out of the first game. I had pocket aces against a ten high flop, and was up against someone I considered to be lousy. I got him to put a lot of chips in pre-flop, on the flop and on the turn (that put two clubs on the board) so we were both pot committed with the third club hit on the river... giving him the flush he had been chasing. No pair, no straight draw, just a flush.
Game 2: In the second game on *monster* pot had several people all-in. The woman to my right won it. If I could pick one person to win it (since I wasn't in it) it'd be her. I figured I'd be taking my share of those chips.
She ended up knocking several more people out due to lucky cards. Every time someone had an pocket A/A or K/K they lost. EVERY TIME THAT NIGHT.
Eventually it came down to her, myself and another girl. I had two big blinds, and the girl to my left had 1.5 big blinds. At this point I wanted to get second (because we only paid 1st and 2nd) so I pretty much sat on my hands. We both ended up winning an all-in hand against the chip leader, but she went out first, locking me into a payoff position. That win paid for my expenses that night.
I had a Queen/rag on the next hand, and with only a big blind left I went all-in. The chip leader called with a Jack/rag, and hit a second Jack to beat me.
Game 3: Game three I was dealt K/K early on. There was a lousy flop 8/6/4 rainbow. I was hoping for a Q/J/2 or something like that. The only guy to play against me was the guy who took me out when I had A/A that first game. He was sitting on my right, so I was pleased to have position on him. He ended up going runner-runner for a straight, crushing my kings. I only let him take half of my chips though.
When I showed my hand the table my cowboys they told me I was stupid for playing K/K because top pairs were cursed.
Someone got knocked out and I moved to their chair (same position though) to make dealing easier. This put me across from my nemesis.
Now, the entire night he kept hurting me. He'd suck out and win, or he'd bet too much and I'd fold. He though he had me dominated, and I kept encouraging his perception by praising his superior play and letting him know how afraid of him I was. Basically, I was setting him up for a big fall.
Now that I was sitting across from him I could observe his mannerisms a bit more and I picked up a tell. He had a classic "I missed that hand" tell. The next time we went up against each other he exhibited this tell. I had second pair so I pushed back. He pushed back again, and I went all-in. He called and I doubled up.
A few hands later that scenario repeated itself.
A few hands later it happened again, and I took all of his chips.
When it came down to the final two players I had about a 3/1 chip lead. It was after 1:00am and the host had fallen asleep on the sofa so I offered to split the pot with my opponent (my best friend, who's not quite as good as me, and who was my driver that night). He agreed.
It was about an hour's drive back home so I didn't get in until after 2:00am.
I had a blast. The last big game I'd played in was that $25 game in April. I'd played a bunch of small, 6 person games since then (winning about half of them... at one point I won 6 in a row). Anyway, there will be another game with about 10 players on St. Patrick's Day that I plan on hitting. I can't wait.
I guess the annual big April tournament is around the corner as well.
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The 40 Year Old Virgin played a lot of online poker, too.
But I've never played any poker in a real casino, just blackjack.
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>...any tips specifically for someone who's going from
>a couple of years of sporadic online play to a real table?
1. Online poker is much MUCH wilder than a game you're going to enter in Vegas. Don't expect to do nearly as well, because people aren't nearly as loose with their chips. According to a couple books I've read, professional poker players hope to make an average of *one* big blind per hour. In the ultra high stakes game they hope to make half a big blind per hour.
Traditional wisdom is that the low stakes games were unbeatable, because the rake negated your winnings. Now that there is more interest in poker there are more donkeys at the $1/$2 tables, so a good player can come out ahead.
In the last book I read (more on that later) Harrington tells you what to do with table play, and what to do in the same situation in online play. Basically, with online play people are much more likely to call so you bet more. At a table you need to bet less because people are tighter.
2) Table image is crucial. At tables you don't get the turnaround like you do online. Not only do you spend more time with people, but you see them as people, with their own mannerisms and such. So it's a lot more about playing the person than playing player X.
Online you can keep doing the same thing over and over again and the nomadic fish will never catch on. That has it's own advantages and disadvantages. But at a table, they'll pay lot more attention to what sort of player you are, and make their play accordingly. Again, that has advantages and disadvantages.
3) You're going to be nervous at first, so I recommend playing like a rock the first hour. Maybe the first two or even three hours (casinos are scarier than home games). You're going to be afraid of making mistakes, and you're pretty much only going to be able to concentrate on playing your cards at first (as opposed to playing people), so plan on only playing your cards like a tight-ass that first hour until you're relaxed *and* have a feel for the players.
During that first hour or so, let people scare you off pots if you're at all unsure (even expose your cards if you had something big, but iffy), only play top ten hands (pairs above 7, AQ, & AK), etc.
Every time you fold, use that time to watch your opponents.
After you feel comfortable, and feel that you can play against the people rather than just the cards, you can loosen up your play.
A big bonus at this point is that by now they've categorized you as someone who only plays big hands, so they're going to give your action a lot of respect. That means you can scare them off.
Remember back when I told you to let yourself get bluffed off hands? Well your opponents are going to remember you as someone who can be chased off a pot long after you allow yourself to get chased off a pot., so now you can challenge them on their steal attempts and take their chips.
4) Caro's Book of Tells is an excellent book. It's easy to read. Tells are *not* the silver bullet in poker. Even if you pick up a tell you are rarely in a position to use it because of the other players involved. But really, if just *one* situation arises where a tell allows you to win a pot, avoid making a big bet, the book will pay for itself.
The book is pretty easy to read. I think there are only 21 tells in the book, and some aren't applicable to Hold'em.
The book was also really good at making me aware of my own tells, so I can fix them. Several times I thought "hey, I do that!" One time I actually laughed out loud because he described something my friend did, that I didn't connect with a tell until that moment.
So anyway, I recommend that book. I read it twice.
My only complaints are that I couldn't figure out what was going on in some of the pictures in the quiz at the end. For example, I couldn't tell that "she looked at her chip stack quickly before making a bet" so I got the question wrong. In other parts of the book the action is described, so you can tell what the photos mean.
(Note: If you buy the book from that link I get a cut)
5) I really enjoyed Harrington on Poker Volume I. It a lot more complex than the Caro book. He expects you to know a lot more. It's something you'll want to concentrate on to digest fully. I guess you could say the theme of the book is making plays that you have the correct odds to make, and allowing your opponents to make plays that they don't have the correct odds to make. He'll tell you how much to bet (as either a multiple of the big blind or as a percentage of the pot) in certain situations. Each chapter is followed by a series of quizzes to test what you've learned.
I learned a lot about the odds, about isolation, about the gap concept, forcing people out, etc. from this book. It's the best poker book I've read so far.
It's meaty, but you should be able to get through it by the time you hit Vegas. I'm reading it for the second time right now. When I'm done I'll get Volume II.
While Harrington's book is about tournament play, it covers the first part of tournament play, which is very similar to to table play. Now, the later stages of tournaments are a *lot* different than table play. The end of tournaments require aggression because you need chips before the monstrous blinds eat you alive. You grind out your winnings at tables games, seldom (if ever) going all-in, because you don't have to worry about rising blinds making you short stacked.
6) I remember reading some stuff in Phil Gordon's book about table games in Vegas. Dress nice. When you go to a poker room the tables will be full. You put your name on a waiting list and they'll call you when there's an opening. You do not get to pick your seat, but if a seat opens at your table you can move there.
When you sit at a new seat you can't play until you post the equivalent of a big blind.
You can tip the maître d' (or whatever the job title it is of the person who puts you at a table) when you sign up. It doesn't guarantee you a good seat, but it can't hurt.
Many professionals have good relationships with the maître d's, thereby getting seats at good tables, and having suckers delivered to their tables. I don't think you need to worry about being delivered to the wolves in low-limit game rooms though.
In a lot of poker games it's a game of sticking it to the fish. That is, the good guys sit around and try not to tangle with each other too much. They concentrate on getting chips from the noobs who are taking a break from their conference and want to try the game they saw on TV. To these noobs, poker is a game about big risk and big bluffs. Remember what I said earlier about table games being different from the late stages of a tournament? The guy on TV does that because he *must* accumulate a lot of chips quickly. Playing like that at table game will win you a lot of small pots (thereby boosting your confidence and encouraging more wild play) before crushing you when someone gets a big hand. (Then these people go back and tell their friends their bad beat story about how the were winning pot after pot until they flopped top pair and lost all their chips.).
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Any specific you want to know? If you want to talk about specific tells, ask in a private forum, as I don't I won't post them in for the world to see.
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That was good, and answered most of my questions, actually. I'm already a pretty tight player - even online (my average is to pony up to see the flop about once every round past the big blind, and half the time I do it's because no one raised on my big blind anyway) - so my key will be learning how to get away with bluffing every now and then and loosen up a bit. And of course to read players in the flesh, as all my experience is about watching betting patterns.
Although, I don't have much of a stake, so maybe I should stick to craps.
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Tells could be used to someones advantage. I was told that I crossed my arms when I bluffed. I screwed my nephew a few times with my fake tell.
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I used to play a couple of times a year at company retreats a few years back (back before Hold'em became so popular). I was never serious about it, but there were a couple of serious players there and they told me at the time that I was a mess of tells. I tend to fidget so much that every hand I was giving off tells regardless of what I had, and thus was unreadable.
Don't know if that's still true, though. I guess I'll find out. 
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I've always given fake tells of varying degrees of subtlety.
I have no idea if they work or not, cuz the people I play with are so bad it generally doesnt matter.
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There are two types of tells, intentional and "tells from actors" (as Caro calls them).
Unintentional tells are things like trembling hands, or when your foot's been tapping all night then suddenly stops when you're interested in a hand.
Tells from actors are things like acting stong when you're weak, or acting weak when you are strong. You want your opponant to see you and make a wrong decision based on that information.
If someone is acting strong:
Are they doing it because they're strong and don't know any better? (Because they're not even thinking about tells)
Are they doing it because they are weak and want to scare you? (For example, they want you to fold your superior hand)
Are they doing it because they're strong and figure you'll apply the "stong means weak" tell? (For example, going all-in to appear to be overbetting when they really have the nuts)
Caro's book gives advice on figuring out if it's a false tell or not.
Against amateurs, acting strong when you're weak and weak when you're strong works. But when I'm against my friend (who has read Caro's book), I know he's looking for tells so I give him a lot of conflicting tells. If I catch myself giving a tell, I'll give another, then another, all leading to different conclusions.
For example, I had (and still slip and do it) a habit of taking a drink to hide my smile when I had a good hand (he had the same tell, and I picked that up before reading the book). Now that he knows about that tell, I'll do that "drink to hide my face" move a lot when I'm against him. So if I slip and do it he can't tell if it's real or not. I'll also do a lot of "acting weak" and "actiong strong" tells during the same hand. So really, hopefully he's getting too many signals to pick out a correct one.
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I had been spewing chips all week long. I lost a ton of chips because I'd play stupid. I didn't have any incentive, and losing a 2k buy-in just wasn't painful.
After work I decided to just hit the 100/200 game. The max buy-in is $20k. Last week I had over 70k, and I couldn't afford to the full 20k buy-in when I started a second concurrent game.
I played such high stakes to force myself to pay attention, so I could do well. I played about 15 minutes and lost thousands more in chips. But I could tell that there was a lot of easy money to be made in that game if I could persevere.
When I got home I logged in and started two games up. I lost a few thousand the first fifteen minutes, knocking me down to 32k. But then I got hot and brought myself up to over 87K in about 15 more minutes.
I quit for awhile, then came back and after about twenty minutes of folding crappy hands I hit the jackpot, played one hand, won, and quit with 106k.
Sweeeeet!
So if you're looking to make chips on Full Tilt, those 100/200 game seem to be the best. Just play conservative and let the noobs pay you off when you have a hand.
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"All hail Paul." Â -Unk
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Paul
The Cumulonimbus of the Interweb
Group: Privateers
Posts: 8365
Joined: May 2004
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First off, I've got a game tonight. I know that when the game started in 2004 it was getting 60-80 people. I don't know how many people are showing up now. I'm guessing fewer.
I'll post a report of how I did later on. I don't have high expectations.
I'm doing *terrible* online right now. I blew 70k last night. My head just wasn't in the games.
I've got a question about showing hands on Full Tilt. If Player A and Player B bet back and forth, then Player A makes a bet that causes Player B to fold, we don't *usually* see Player A's hand. But sometimes Player A shows his hand. How does he show it???
I asked last night and someone said it was a main option. I don't see "show hand" in the check-box options in the lower left, and I don't see it when I click options in the upper-right. How can I show a hand when someone folds to me and I want to expose my cards?
EDIT: Nevermind. Found it. "To Show hands after the hand is over you need to have the auto muck option turned off. In the main lobby click Options than uncheck the Auto Muck Cards option."
Edited by Paul on Mar. 08 2007,09:08
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