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Leisher 
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Posted on: May 15 2012,12:50 |
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I'll preface this by saying I fully support gay marriage. I don't think it's any of my business if Cakedaddy and Gordon want to get married.
However, throughout the gay marriage debates over the past few years, I continually think, "What will be next?"
Let's not pretend that once gay people have the right to marry (and they should), that it's going to stop there because it's not.
Someone else's plight will then take center stage, but who? Who else will step up and demand to be recognized for their love?
NAMBLA has been allowed to march in gay rights parades before. Don't believe those assholes are above wanting "equality".
I've read about men and women around the world marrying inanimate objects.
Ditto for animals.
Perhaps an alien race will make first contact, and it'll be a race to see who gets to fuck one first?
My money is on a revisiting of multiple person relationships. Whether it's Mormons, swingers, some chick and the two bi guys she bangs, or whatever, I think this is the next area where folks are going to want recognition for their relationships.
So what's the argument going to be for stopping them?
It's easy to tell the NAMBLA folks to go fuck themselves and die.
It's easy to ignore the animal molesters, however legally folks leave money to their pets...
You can try to ignore the folks who screw inanimate objects, but they're not hurting anyone. So really...what's the harm?
However, when it comes to multiple consenting adults in an open relationship, if they all want to get married...whay will the argument be against it?
Obviously you'll have the bible thumpers, and the morality argument, but what else?
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 15 2012,12:55 |
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Slippery Slope
Any rate, I figure it's polygamists. Consenting adults and all that.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: May 15 2012,13:00 |
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Polygamy. Maybe not here right, away, but in some European countries that are over-run by Islam. Probably Scandinavia or Britain. They're already at the point where it's practically illegal to look sideways at a member of a designated victim group.
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Leisher
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Posted on: May 15 2012,13:05 |
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Eh, it's an easier slope to slip down than others.
I could absolutely see this happening for two reasons:
1. Folks in this country went on a rampage within the last decade (or so) trying to really get rid of polygamy. Not sure why it became a hot button issue, but gay marriage would give polygamy supporters a boost. (Romney is a Mormon! hehe)
2. "Alternate partnerships" are on a rise, and the numbers aren't just about gay folks.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 15 2012,13:20 |
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I think it's pretty easy to draw a very clear and simple line: consenting adults get to do what they want with each other, and everyone else can just butt the fuck out.
Ideally lets have the government not give a shit either, but if we have to have laws about it then make the laws that simple: consenting adults get to do what they want with each other, and everyone else can just butt eh fuck out.
Please note that "consenting" can not include animals or plants or aliens (at least not until they learn to speak English and can signify their consent), and "adult" can not include NAMBLA.
Where's the slippery slope in that?
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 15 2012,14:37 |
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Yeah, what TPR said, basically. It's a LONG way down the slope from gay marriage to polygamy to (way way way way down) bestiality/NAMBLA.
I really have no problem with polygamy. Other than dealing with >1 wife.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: May 15 2012,15:29 |
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(TheCatt @ May 15 2012,17:37)
QUOTE Yeah, what TPR said, basically. Â It's a LONG way down the slope from gay marriage to polygamy
I don't agree with that at all. Polygamy has a long, LONG history, is still practiced today in many places, and you could even make the case that it is part of our cultural heritage, since it was quite popular in the Old Testament. And besides the Mormons, there are Muslim immigrants who might very easily pressure Uncle Sam into legalizing. Especially if they play the victim card.
Gay marriage...well, Wikipedia has some stuff, but it's fairly thin gruel if you ask me.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 15 2012,17:58 |
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(thibodeaux @ May 15 2012,18:29)
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(TheCatt @ May 15 2012,17:37)
QUOTE Yeah, what TPR said, basically. Â It's a LONG way down the slope from gay marriage to polygamy I don't agree with that at all. Polygamy has a long, LONG history, is still practiced today in many places, and you could even make the case that it is part of our cultural heritage, since it was quite popular in the Old Testament. And besides the Mormons, there are Muslim immigrants who might very easily pressure Uncle Sam into legalizing. Especially if they play the victim card. Gay marriage...well, Wikipedia has some stuff, but it's fairly thin gruel if you ask me.
I change my sentence midstream, but didn't fix the 1/2 half of it, too tired.
Gay marriage (top of slope)
Polygamy (furhter down)
beastiality/marrying things (bottom of the hill)
is what i was trying to say.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 15 2012,18:07 |
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Marrying "objects" should just be grounds for someone to get committed to a mental institution.
That being said, I LOVE LAMP.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 15 2012,18:41 |
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Actually, if someone wants to marry an object I guess that's okay. Â As long as they own it, and don't expect it to get any special legal rights not normally given to objects or anything.
Silly, IMO, but what the hell, no harm done and it makes 'em happy I guess.
Edited by TPRJones on May 15 2012,18:42
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 15 2012,18:50 |
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I would marry myself.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 15 2012,20:55 |
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Are you sure that would be consensual?
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 15 2012,21:58 |
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I hope so, Â otherwise I engage in rape constantly.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jul. 05 2012,07:37 |
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Makes sense to me. Throughout history extended families meant that kids basically had a bunch of parents caring for them. The whole two-parent household thing is a relatively new invention.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: Jul. 05 2012,09:08 |
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As is (I assume) the notion that the State is responsible for assigning children to a grown-up.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jul. 05 2012,10:57 |
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True, the idea of the State trying to "protect" children is also very new. Throughout most of history governments could not have cared less about the welfare of children.
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unkbill
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2012,12:02 |
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Didn't get to read a whole lot of this post but if I choose to follow the faith I already am allowed to have more than one wife. As long as I can prove I am able to take care of them. Think of the work Harem.
As for gay marring. If you call it marriage I am against it. Call it what ever you want but it isn't a marriage. I am married and last time I looked I had a penis and she had a vagina. So no it isn't the same. Call it whatever you wish. Civil union, life partnership whatever. Then it fine.
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