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Posted on: Aug. 31 2010,14:37 |
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The wedding reception I attended the other night... some of the older relatives of my wife were at the table talking about "All I know for sure is that I didn't come from a monkey, that really makes me angry to say that.
I kept my mouth shut, even though what I was thinking, "Not only are you related to monkeys, you are related to amoebas."
But anyway, do you think evolution is how you got here? If you are actually an alien infiltrator, don't vote because you'll screw up the results.
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TPRJones
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What poll will you have next, about whether the earth is round?
To anyone that accepts that science has a reasonable basis, there is no doubt on this topic. The evidence is monumental in scope. At this point, to deny evolution is to declare oneself as incapable of rational thought.
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Malcolm
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If there's some supreme, divine, all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent being that created everything, his engineering skills could use some fine-tuning.
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Malcolm
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(Vince @ Sep. 01 2010,20:45)
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(Malcolm @ Sep. 01 2010,11:37)
QUOTE If there's some supreme, divine, all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent being that created everything, his engineering skills could use some fine-tuning. I don't know. Â Think of any other system with all the moving parts and hydralics that the human body has that routinely lasts 70 years.
Any being w\ the power to pull off all that while fucking up some common sense logic is too improbable.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TheCatt
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QUOTE In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic parti
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Vince
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(TheCatt @ Sep. 02 2010,10:40)
QUOTE QUOTE In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic parti
Hawking has been rather... odd for a long time.
Isn't gravity a measure of mass? Before the Universe, therefore mass, how would one have gravity?
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Malcolm
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(Vince @ Sep. 02 2010,20:01)
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(TheCatt @ Sep. 02 2010,10:40)
QUOTE QUOTE In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic parti Hawking has been rather... odd for a long time. Isn't gravity a measure of mass? Â Before the Universe, therefore mass, how would one have gravity?
Gravity is the warping of space-time. Mass exists in zero gravity.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones
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I'd need to read more to make a judgement; that limited quote is likely missing some key points.
Current theories have the fabric of space being a frothy sea of virtual particle creation, especially where space is most flat. It's not necessarily inconceivable to push that to an idea of totally flat (i.e. no universe) = massive particle creation explosion.
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GORDON
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My 4 year old recently got a book from the library called "The Universe" and now he is asking me questions about how The Big Bang worked.
The other kids were reading Dr. Seuss.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Sep. 03 2010,05:27 |
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I don't think I could ever quite grasp how something has come from nothing.
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TheCatt
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(GORDON @ Sep. 03 2010,09:05)
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QUOTE I don't think I could ever quite grasp how something has come from nothing. LET THERE BE LIGHT.
Well, right. Supernatural being or spontaneous generation of matter -> Either is pretty much magic to me.
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TPRJones
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Happens all the time, it seems. It's just usually they blink back out of existence just as quickly.
And apparently that's where this is coming from. Particles are created and destroyed all the time, the new theory being that they are destroyed because our existence as a universe overwhelms them. Take the universe out of the way, and there's nothing to destroy them again.
It would do odd things to the inflationary theory. Instead of inflation, now you can postulate that the big bang was a simultaneous much larger sea of individual bangs, at every point in that larger region, as all those virtual particles failed to be destroyed upon creation. No more need for inflation, which always struck me as being a bit of a kludgey theory anyway.
I now also wonder if maybe "dark matter" is really the cumulative effects of nearly infinite numbers of particles that almost but not quite exist, dark matter being another kludgey theory that needs help.
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unkbill
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(TPRJones @ Sep. 02 2010,18:38)
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QUOTE Guess I stand alone again here. I believe alittle of both. For the record, I will acknowledge the possibility of a Prime Mover, a divine being that provided the initial spark. Â There's no evidence against such a thing, and I won't show contempt for someone with that sort of belief. Â It's those people that gleefully embrace ignorance and deny science while at the same time enjoying the technological and medical advances that science provides that get me riled up. On the other hand, there's no evidence for a Prime Mover, either, so Occam's Razor slices the issue with me as an atheist. Â But I won't disrespect you for it if you go the other way.
I apriciate that. And I will look into Occams knife. Is that anything like Schroeders Cat?
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unkbill
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Occams Razor.
Oh, Unkbill Of Oakham. Or as judge Judy says "Keep it simple Stupid" Yes and I am also of a fan of go with your first instinct. It is normally correct.
But when I come up with something hard on a job I need to do. I like the one were I sleep on it. Sometimes that has worked so well for me.
Sometime life is so hard. I can see where some people need faith, And then other people take advantage of it. Jim Jones, Jim and Tammi Baker. I follow my own faith. Led, follow or get the fuck out of the way. Just don't muck up my life sheep.
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