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I'm sure everyone has read the story by now. Rig explosions, multiple leaks 1.5 kilometers underground, no obvious solutions. CNN Story

This is a moderately big deal on the news sites. It should be bigger. It will really start to get noticed when the pictures of wildlife covered in oil start rolling in a week or so.

40% of the seafood you eat comes from this region. All of the blue crab. Oyster, Shrimp, all of the fisheries will be wiped out.

The spill in Alaska was bad, sure. But it was mostly on a rocky coastline that was more straight-forward to clean. This one will be come ashore on wetlands and estuaries, the worst possible scenario. Entire fisheries are going to be wiped out. The fishermen in me dies every-time I read another news story, or account, or prediction.

I'm hoping that these are are all far flung, that they will somehow get the leak contained, and the environmental impact won't be as bad as I think it is. I can only hope. Fuck.


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Let go ahead and add that I'm not against drilling, it's sort of a necessary evil, and that there are tons of rigs that do this without ecological disasters. But I don't totally understand how rigs that are designed to withstand Cat 5 Hurricanes can not have enough safety systems to stop the flow of oil in the event of an explosion or accident.

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Sort of makes me wish we were drilling in the middle of nowhere, Alaska instead of our gulf coast.

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We do drill all over Alaska as far as I know.

Unless you mean that you want to somehow replace the the 600,000 square miles that make up the Gulf of Mexico with the Artic National Wildlife Refuge , which is less than 50,000 square miles. I'm sure that will work somehow.


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Ok.

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Wow.  Lots of everyone dropping the ball on this.

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BP planned to use ROVs to close the blow out preventer (BOP) valves on the well head 5,000 feet below the surface of the water. The valve closing procedure was estimated to take 24 to 36 hours as of April 25.  As of April 28, BP has been unsuccessful in accomplishing this.


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BP engineers are working on two other options to secure the source. The first and fastest is to place a dome over the well head that will capture the oil and pipe it to the surface to be contained in a storage vessel, but it will still take weeks for the design and fabrication of the dome before it can be put in place.


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BP is also preparing to drill a relief well into the original well to relieve it ... this operation will take two to three months to stop the flow of oil, however.


BP only leases the platform from Transocean, the world's largest offshore drilling firm.  Going to be fun to see who succeeds in blaming the other.


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Let go ahead and add that I'm not against drilling, it's sort of a necessary evil, and that there are tons of rigs that do this without ecological disasters. But I don't totally understand how rigs that are designed to withstand Cat 5 Hurricanes can not have enough safety systems to stop the flow of oil in the event of an explosion or accident.

I'm not totally against drilling. I'm against fuck ups like this. What the hell happened to the blow out valve and the other manual valves  that supposedly are in place. I'm sure with time and money it can all recover but I wish it would have been stopped before this.
BP will lose billions I would think. When it takes them under you think the government will bail them out. Seems to be the trend.


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But I don't totally understand how rigs that are designed to withstand Cat 5 Hurricanes can not have enough safety systems to stop the flow of oil in the event of an explosion or accident.

Hurricanes aren't internal, fiery explosions.  Building components to resist external threats is one thing.  Securing individual components against internal stupidity is another.

Piper Alpha, worst oil rig disaster in history.  Occurred because some fucking moron didn't read a piece of paper and there were ZERO internal controls to prevent it.


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Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30137052.htm


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Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30137052.htm

What kind of fucking retard engineers are getting certified nowadays?

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NASA can't get men into space any more.  They even fucked up an expensive balloon launch the other day.  This country is in serious decline.  Learn to speak Chinese.

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Conspiracy theory: The Koreans are torpedoing oil rigs.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm


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Conspiracy theory: The Koreans are torpedoing oil rigs.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

They're barely organized enough to fuck up a half-assed missile launch.  They'd barely be able to keep a crew fed to survive the round-trip voyage from North Korea to Mexican waters & back.

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http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

WTF is that site? How did you come across that? Have you read all their articles? Insanity.
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Started long before Bush or Bama. Gov. people looking the other way. I was out there. More towards Texas than Venice. La. My dad went out of there.
It is so beautiful 100 miles out. Now because of greed, a couples bosses arguing over who was in charge and a few people ignoring accidents that happened weeks before. It is fucking up a lot of the Gulf and what a couple million peoples lives.
Sorry if you don't like it but this really fucked up my planet. Yes it can recover. But it should have never been fucked up in the first place.


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Let go ahead and add that I'm not against drilling, it's sort of a necessary evil, and that there are tons of rigs that do this without ecological disasters. But I don't totally understand how rigs that are designed to withstand Cat 5 Hurricanes can not have enough safety systems to stop the flow of oil in the event of an explosion or accident.

The problem wasn't the rig.  If you ever watched Armageddon and there's the scene where the Armadillo hits the gas pocket?  That's pretty much what happened.  And actual rig explosion isn't that big of a deal to contain.  The pretty much just seal the top of the piping until the platform can be replaced or repaired and they start up again.  This blew everything out right at the ocean floor (from my understanding).
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I've been boycotting BP since the early 90's.  So, I've been to been doing my part.  It's all you other losers that have been buying BP all these years that have helped support crappy treatment of our territory by BP.  I started boycotting them after reading how they were dumping shit illegally in fields and streams and stuff.  It took the whole Gulf for you people to wake up!

Now, if only you'd see that boycotting EA is the smart thing to do as well.  What are they going to have to destroy for you to see.  As if they haven't destroyed enough!

But seriously, I really have been boycotting BP since the early '90's  because of dumping shit in our fields and streams.


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You haven't been boycotting BP because it is my understanding that all the oil anybody ever pumps and drills ends up in a pool, like if you say "I am boycotting that farmer's crops because he is an asshole," when the reality is that his crops end up in the same grain elevator as everyone elses, and the farmer bringing his crops into the local commodity market has its effect on the price of that commodity, boycott or not.

So you mean you are boycotting BP service stations, yes?  Not buying their candy bars and lottery tickets?

Anyway, anyone who drives a car with an internal combustion engine shares some blame.  Want to be righteous about a petroleum spill, sell the car and ride a bike everywhere, first.


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I'm walking everywhere, because the rubber that makes the tires is a petroleum based product (I think).  And I'm wearing moccasins.

But ya, I haven't shopped at a BP in many, many years.  Last time I did was to use their outdoor power plug to charge my cellphone cause it was dead and my car charger was broken.

And I don't believe you about the pool.  They keep that shit separate.  I can tell.
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I'm betting that they'll get it capped sometime in the next two or three weeks, but not sooner than that.

No, I'm really betting on that.  I've got a limit buy order in on their stock for $41.72.


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